Some unexplained information and material has shown up online. Some choices the creators of Jem made, have
arisen curiousity from Jem fans. And we can't help but wonder, what else is out there? What did we miss out on?
Some questionmarks are partly figured out, some remain unanswered. This page points out some of the most interesting mysteries, along with facts and some speculation. You are bound to learn something you didn't know on this page.
Prototype doll pictures, and what looks like doll box art [off-site link], have shown up of a female character, called "Graphix" with chrome yellow hair with polka dots, dressed in mostly white and red clothes with all kinds of prints. Is this really a Jem character, or was it planned to be if the Jem doll line had continued?
The answer to those questions is no. Any artwork of Graphix is
completely unofficial, and made by Jem fans long after the line was cancelled. No official artwork for a doll
box was created for Graphix. But on the other hand, Graphix was not always completely
none-Jem. There was a prototype doll made by Hasbro in the 80's!
In the early 2000's, two pictures of a prototype Graphix doll were uploaded to a website by a confirmed
person involved in the creation of Jem, and shared to the public thanks to the Truly Outrageous Mailing List.
Speculations among fans began, which added to the mystery about Graphix, of what is speculation versus confirmed
facts from any named source, and of what Hasbro's plans for Graphix really were.
There are several mysteries surrounding this character. Graphix was infact once considered for being
released as a doll in the Jem line, aswell as appearing in the cartoon. She got as far as an early
Hasbro prototype, and Christy wrote a description of her for the cartoon, which can be found in the
Jem Bible. Gwen (Gwendolyn) "Graphix" Snyder, was supposed to be a talented graffiti artist from the San Fernando
Valley, who had been creating art ever since she was little, who would work for Eric and design all kinds of stuff for the
Stingers (a big Riot fan infact) and for the Misfits (although she was to dislike the
Misfits). As for her personality, Graphix was meant to be a spoiled, brainless,
pretentious, shallow, untechnical, obnoxious attention seeker who speaks her mind without thinking. Yes, those
were actually the plans, not my own words.
Unlike other characters like: Regine, Astral, Riot, Minx and Rapture, Graphix never appeared in the cartoon,
and there were no episode ideas pitched for her.
And Graphix never got to the stage of being photographed for the pre-toy fair catalogs. Hasbro decided to
scrap Graphix according to Christy Marx herself, which meant Christy entirely
dropped the idea of including Graphix in the cartoon. Christy was given no reason why, but she has
pointed out countless times that Graphix was infact a scrapped idea:
"Hasbro came up with several new dolls: the Stingers, Regine,
Astral and Graphix. Graphix was cancelled, the rest were introduced."
"I think Graphix was the only character/doll that was dropped."
"Graphix was scrapped before we wrote her into any episodes. I was only in the early thinking stages of a
story for her. Nothing that I know about was ever written, let alone produced."
"She got dropped somewhere along the way before we ever put her into a script."
"If they told me why they were dropping Graphix, I've
completely forgotten. I suspect I was never given a reason."
"All I remember is that I was told Hasbro wasn't going to do
the doll, so I should drop the character."
"Hasbro decided to drop the doll so she was never used."
"Hasbro simply decided not to do the Graphix doll."
So what could Hasbro's reason have been? Was the
hair print too difficult to manufacture? Was it a problem
that she was a graffiti artist, since the Jem cartoon had public service announcements against graffiti?
Was the design not finished, and needed too much extensive work to redo? Too many new
characters already introduced at that time,
too many new bad guys, too many with blonde/yellow hair? Those speculations are all perhaps likely, but no one knows
for sure.
Many Jem fans find all things that were once planned for the Jem line, very interesting! And we love to dream
of what could have been.
Graphix has been classified as
an X-character in this list. But the mystery revolving around the
character will always place her a bit higher in our minds.
So, with a prototype that was perhaps unfinished, and so little to go by, plus being scrapped,
why do people care so much for Graphix?
Many Jem fans probably considered Graphix a piece of very interesting trivia, until the
doll company Integrity Toys came along and started releasing commemorative dolls of our favorite Jem characters,
and opening our imaginations with their wonderful designs.
Since then, all kinds of wishes and speculations have been going on in Jem communities, some of which included Graphix.
The big excitement for Graphix for many people is her friendship with the Misfits, who had few doll friends
released, while fact is she was planned to dislike the Misfits. Graphix may very well have come to be referred by
Hasbro as a new Misfit, had she been released though. But even so, that would just have been Hasbro's way of
categorizing
their dolls before the cartoon gave them a story and relations to the other characters, much like Video was called
"Video of the Holograms" even on the doll boxes, and Clash was called "Clash of the Misfits".
Many Jem fans are first and foremost doll collectors, and although many also love the Jem cartoon, they tend
to prefer stuff they can collect. Which translates to the fact that some care more for doll prototypes,
than for characters created by Christy Marx herself that actually made it into the
cartoon. For me, it's the opposite.
Still many of those Graphix fans contradictory use the existance of Christy's cartoon
description of Graphix as a reason for validating Graphix.
Integrity Toys who was originally not planning to manufacture Graphix, went ahead by taking pre-orders. The news of a
commemorative Graphix doll was announced in autumn 2016, and Graphix was to make her first ever official
appearance in the Jem doll world in 2017.
A relatively small number was manufactured, but the Graphix doll was a hit among Jem fans, Integrity Toys managed
to turn even a scrapped prototype into gold!
Whether Graphix, as a concept, will fall back into being forgotten again, remains to be seen.
But then again, maybe some day this Integrity Toys release will be one of the rarest and most expensive Jem
collectibles.
There are a lot of signs of cut scenes, and it sometimes even went beyond scripts, and as far model cels being made, and scenes even being animated. But then... cut, and much of it never appeared anywhere. What did we miss out on and where?
The following episodes had material that was never used, or if fashion designs, atleast not until a
later episode:
Starbright 1: Model cels.
The reason for some of the cuts may be time. Atleast two of the mentioned episodes,
"The Jem Jam Part 1" and "Culture Clash", contained a repeat of one or two music videos at the end of
the episode, where several scenes could have been shown instead. And some instead contained a
superstar clip, or even a number to call for runaways. It's not unlikely that the rest of the
episodes that included something like that at the end, also had some cut scenes from the story of the episode.
A reason introduced by Will Meugniot, is that some model designs may have been Hasbro
fashions that were dropped and not used in the show.
The first thing that strikes you when looking at Jetta is her lack of colors. She's all black and white. But on top of that, she has the highest production number of all dolls in the line, much higher than Raya who appeared at the same time as Jetta in the cartoon, and even higher than the Starlight girls whose boxes are marked "1987", while Jetta's doll box is marked "1986". Jetta is not featured on the back of the second edition Misfits boxes, even though Raya was on the back of the Holograms boxes. Jetta didn't appear in any doll commercials. Jetta was excluded in the second year annual book released in the UK, which featured the other second year dolls. Apparently Jetta was made later than all other released dolls. Why is this?
Was she not thought of at the same time as the other dolls? Was she added because Hasbro
realized the Misfits also needed a new member?
Christy has commented that she was given Raya and
Jetta and other secondary characters to develop at the same time.
We know there were discussions regarding what Jetta would look like, which might have delayed Jetta.
Christy Marx suggested Jetta would be black. But Hasbro already had their plans for Jetta, and they
didn't want to make a black bad girl, which could cause controversy in the 80's. But Christy was
given the opportunity to add an extra characteristic to Jetta by making her
British.
Seeing the Jem bible you can see that she was originally meant to play bass guitar which
also suggests Hasbro hadn't made up their mind about her, even when she was planned for the cartoon.
When it came to season 2, and episode #27, we never got to see it. There was no episode with that number. Did we lose an episode?
These were very busy times for the Jem doll line. Hasbro was releasing big news
for both of their groups, the Holograms and the Misfits, in form of one new member each, Raya and Jetta.
And with the previously, on this page,
mentioned discussions about Jetta, alot of things may have changed during the creation of the episodes
to introduce the new characters. Possibly what was planned as episode 27, had to be extended into a
two-parter, Talent Search.
So why didn't the Talent Search episodes get the numbers 27 and 28? Or even 28 and 29?
Those were probably already reserved for the following episodes, since episodes were probably
planned far ahead. So the Talent Search episodes became 30-31 instead.
On the
other hand, too many differences could not have been made instead of what was planned for episode
27, as far as not originally including Jetta, because Raya and Jetta were featured in episode 28 and 29.
But then again those could have been slightly re-written if not too far into production.
This change into a two-parter, was probably before they came to things like designing the model cels though, because
Raya's first fashions, which did appear in the Talent Search episodes, were marked episode 28, as in Scandal.
In the episode The Battle Of The Bands, outside the Music Bowl stadium, after the reporter has announced that "in a few moments the gates with open, and thousands of fans will pack the stadium for this sold out battle of the band between the Misfits and Jem and the Holograms". We see some characters that look like Jem and the Holograms and the Misfits, in a place they couldn't be at the moment, and even doubles of some of them. And strangely we see Roxy wearing glasses.
Jem and the Holograms are on their way to save Ashley from the Starlight Drive-in, and The Misfits are
going straight from Starlight Music to the stadium to prepare for the concert.
So what is this? ...It's actually clones, or in other words fans dressed out as their favorite bands and
bandmembers, screaming the name of the bands for the reporter, waiting to
get into the stadium. I think they did a very good job dressing out as their idols, infact I don't
think Christy intended them to look quite this alike and cause confusion for us viewers. The Pizzazz clone even
appears at front row cheering for Jem and the Holograms when they arrive and perform.
Since the early years of the internet, Jem art has appeared online for sale, like on the auction site Ebay. Those of us who were there from the beginning have seen alot gone by, and are aware of several of the stages it took to design Jem. We know there should be tons of art out there. A piece for each character, each stage of the development. It's a matter of what was made, and then what was saved. And who knows where it all is today? Are the current owners ever going to sell it, or atleast share it online to add to the Jem history? Or is it only shown in limited groups of Jem friends?
Let's start by pointing out some of the things that are out there.
Did I forget some kinds of art? Is this list missing out any episodes? Have pictures of any of it?
Let me know.
Each cartoon episode featured 2-3 songs presented with a music video. What else is out there music-wise for Jem?
First of all, unfortunately there are no lost entire Jem songs found so far. But there are a few songs and
parts of songs, other than the featured songs, that can be heard here and there in the cartoon. Here are some of them.
In some episodes we hear music that didn't belong to an actual song (unless the song was cut out):
In the episode "The Princess And The Singer" we get to hear Jem and the Holograms start playing a
song with an interesting intro, that we never get to hear the rest of.
In the episode "Scandal", at the Roller Rock Out club, we hear Sean's band play atleast 14 seconds of music
that we never get to hear the rest of. Then there's of course "Broken Glass" by the Limp Lizards which we
get to hear parts of twice, in "The Beginning" and "The Bands Break Up".
For all songs in the cartoon, the song writers wrote and recorded a second version, to offer Hasbro (I think it was
that decided) two versions to choose from. The lyrics were pretty much the same, but with
some differences to fit the music. And Britta didn't record both versions as far as I know. Some of these have found
their ways to Jem fans, but are unlikely to appear online in any form.
In the episode "In Search Of The Stolen Album", we see some sheets of music at the Starlight Recording Studio.
One of them you can actually read out the notes on. If you want to hear what it sounds like when played out,
see the page Sounds.
We get to hear some singing by the speaking voices in the cartoon: Samantha Newark does some singing
in two episodes "The Fan" and "One Jem Too Many". In "The Fan" she sings part of the song "I Believe In
Happy Endings", but with the slightly wrong lyrics "Tell me I'm crazy, tell me I'm lazy", which was
probably an injoke by the writer. And in the episode "One Jem Too Many", the real Jem dares the fake Jem
(disguised Clash) to sing something, and we get to hear part of the song "I Believe In Happy Endings"
again, the lines "Tell me I'm crazy, maybe I know, but I believe in happy endings", which this time was
correct but intentionally sung badly because of the story.
In these short clips, Samantha Newark doesn't get to show what she can do singingwise. She is a very talented singer!
Read more about Samantha on the page Samantha Newark.
With the Glitter 'n Gold dolls, Jem and Rio, came a cassette with the Glitter 'n Gold theme song. This song
was different from the song featured in the episode "Glitter and Gold", with the title "Glitter and Gold".
It sounds somewhat similar, but the cassette version has different
lyrics and sounds slightly more like a commercial, and was featured in the doll commercials.
The theme song was recorded into Spanish, French, and Italy even composed their own new Jem theme song.
And several of the songs in the cartoon also got translated and sung by other singers.
There are Spanish and French versions of several songs:
French
Offsite link: Listen to some of the songs in French and Spanish at theMitigating's Youtube channel.
A script that was never animated for the cartoon, showed up on ebay, probably early january 2011, called "Blame it on Rio". Apparently sold by one of the Jem writers, Roger Slifer. What is it about, and was it meant to be part of the cartoon?
Like many rare Jem items, this script is kept in a private collection,
who hasn't shared the content with Jem fans online. Until this person is willing to share
this part of Jem's history, or sell it, the following is all we know:
It's about
Jerrica and Rio arguing, because Rio wants to know more about the stage effects Jerrica is keeping
secret for him, because of Synergy. We learn about Pudge, who works as a roadie for Rio. And
there is even a song called "Striving". This might not have been a planned episode, but a
script that was never picked up.
When the series had reached almost halfway through, some episodes appeared which didn't quite keep the same quality for the animation that we were used to. Everything else was as good as always, like the stories, the songs and the voice actors. But why did the characters look different, and move differently?
The following are the episodes in question:
Infact these episodes were more likely to contain bloopers aswell, such as things colored differently
throughout the entire episode, like skincolor, fashions and more.
These episodes were animated in another country than Japan, probably Korea.
This was done also for other cartoons than Jem at the time, like Defenders of the Earth.
A guess is that Sunbow was trying to save money, or get mroe episodes animated within a certain time period.
Why these particular episodes were chosen, we don't know. Nor why they didn't appear in a row according to episode number.
Maybe Sunbow wanted to mix them in to not make the change of quality too noticable. Or maybe the
production speed for this second animation studio was slower, and forced Sunbow to let the regular
animators work at the same time.
It's not unusual for the designs of characters and other things to change before the production starts. But after we were already introduced to the cartoon by the early episodes, changes started appearing here and there for characters (haircolors, eye colors, hairstyles), fashions aswell as buildings. Some are understandable small improvements, while some things were completely re-designed out of recognition, and/or for no obvious reason.
So what exactly was changed?
Characters, either hair/haircolor/eye color/fashion:
Buildings:
So what happened?
Some characters appeared as cartoon characters before their dolls were released, and the
cartoon model designers referred to early versions of their looks, based on Hasbro prototypes,
but once the dolls were ready to be released, Hasbro had made several changes.
So the cartoon look was then changed to
resemble their dolls more, to simply work better as a commercial for the dolls. This would be the
case for Jerrica, Clash and Video.
In some cases, it was probably the animators who forgot what haircolor they had.
Like Jeff and Zipper.
In some cases, I have no idea: Lindsey and Ashley.
As for the episode "Out Of The Past" it was written by another writer than the main writer who
wrote the original episodes where Starlight House was seen. Michael Charles Hill. He might not have
made any reference to the fact that there was already a design of the original
house. Or the animators may not have picked up on it. In the storyline, there is no
mention of them moving.
And as for Starlight Music, perhaps the company was re-built, perhaps this is a
smaller building connected to Starlight Music (after all there is the Starlight
Recording studio seen in another episode which resembles Starlight Music),
or they moved the company when they could afford it.
For more about changes throughout the series and before the series, see the page Jem Evolution.
Rio had the highest production number of the dolls in the first year. The back of his body says "1986" while the rest of the first year dolls say "1985". He was not featured in the first doll commercials. His outfit is the only one that doesn't match it's corresponding cartoon outfit, and he wasn't a rockstar nor came with an instrument like all other dolls of the first year.
Rio was part of the early scripts of the original mini-series of the cartoon, which premiered before
the doll was released. He was Hasbro's invention, his name and role atleast.
He was not a main character though. He was a male character that was a boyfriend and a roadmanager.
Perhaps he was originally just a requested ingredient of Hasbro for the cartoon, just to include a
boyfriend, with a possible doll release for next year. He probably wasn't top priority and finished yet in
terms of looks, and the animation people had to go
ahead and create their own outfit for him, since there was nothing finished for the line yet. Or maybe he
had last minute changes to the outfit. Or Hasbro may have wanted to concentrate on their musical
groups in the commercials. A funny fact is that in early cartoon promotional art he was seen in as much
as four different outfits, none of which resembled what the Hasbro doll ended up being released in.
Original art has shown three different versions of the Jem logo, and the 80's Kimber dolls guitars had a fourth version on top of it. Did any of these resemble an earlier design of the Jem logo?
We know that Jem was originally going to be called "M". Early artwork of something called the "M" Jet
pictures a Jet plane with a logo in the shape of the
letter "M". This art was made by one of Jem's creators, Bill Sanders, who was, of course, working on
Jem very early on. As all Jem fans know, there was never any "M Jet" in the doll line or cartoon, or "Jem Jet"
for that matter. And maybe that "M" that appears
as a logo, was also an early idea that never got further than the planning stage. But who knows,
this might have been more than just an "M" in an early sketch, maybe it appeared for a while into the
project before the name was changed to "Jem".
Early character artwork by Rudy Nebres, Paula La Fond and William DuBay, which was made during the process of
finding the Jem cartoon look, shows Jem's belt with the letter "M". This "M" is difficult to figure out the
shape of, but looks more like the "M" in the Misfits cartoon logo. Just because it appeared on Jem's belt,
it didn't necessarily mean it had to resemble what the logo looked like at the time.
Then there are the Kimber dolls in Hasbro's 80's line, which both came with an instrument in the shape of a
keytar (a handheld keyboard) with an "M" at the top. This "M" is only slightly similar to the one on the
M Jet, but has a new design. Since this one got into production, it is probably more likely it resembles what
the finished "M" logo looked like.
And as for the fourth version, now "M" had become "Jem". On early model art cels, created for the original
mini-series, at the top there's a different version of what we came to know as the finished design.
The star doesn't have five corners, but lots of them. Also the words "Truly Outrageous" below have a different
placement.
And why did the finished logo feature an upper case "J", a lower case "e" and then an upper case "M". Was
perhaps this "M" the original design of the logo while the line was still being called "M"?
Some of these logos may have been working logos or just unique designs
used for a certain purpose, never meant to be the finished logo.
Lots of Jem books and comics were released, to market the dolls. But in the illustrations the characters
looked quite different than what we're used to from the cartoon.
There were factual mistakes, they didn't even
act like we're used to. It's like a separate canon. How did this happen?
What was usually screwed up in the books were things like:
Some of these are understandable if you realize most of the material in the books was based on the dolls
and their looks. But then again there are also things that were not released or even mentioned in
the doll line, things like who Eric Raymond was, and where the main characters lived. So if they
got this from the cartoon, why didn't they get it right?
It seems like there was some kind of material sent off to the book writers in the early
stages of the developing of the cartoon. Because not only do the episodes only feature the rough
main parts of either the first episode, or even the fifth episode, but some actually feature
things that were once planned for the cartoon but then changed in the finished episode. Most likely
Christy/Sunbow/Hasbro sent out some outline from Christy's early scripts to the book writers. And as
for the visuals differents in these books, those weren't visible in the scripts.
A bunch of pencil sketches featuring Jem characters, have been appearing on ebay for the last several years, mostly sold by one seller. And Jem fans and collectors have spent thousands of dollars buying them. The sketches represent scenes from the first five episodes and the Starbright episodes. But unlike most other Jem art, there's something odd about these, and no Jem fan, and no one who worked on Jem can place them into the production of Jem. Who even drew them?
So what seems to be the problem? They are poorly drawn compared to other Jem art. They don't match a
finished animation cel, and have no japanese notes which an animation cel would usually have. They have
unusually detailed production numbers. There's alot of them, while other production art from these
episodes is very rare. They feature re-designed versions of fashion designs that had not yet been created
in those episodes, mixed with correct earlier versions of the fashions. Only main characters are
pictured, one by one and in very nice poses. There are also sketches of Transformers, G.I. Joe, Superfriends,
and Laff-a-Lympics that look so alike each other in style, that they would probably have been drawn during the
same process, and by the same person.
On the other hand, the very detailed production numbers seem accurate, and they're sold by a wellknown and trusted
animation art dealer. But where do they come from originally and how do they fit into Jem?
The only answer I can think of is that the sketches were created for the retakes (when some
scenes were re-animated and new scenes were added) and were created in the US rather than in Japan,
and just made as roughs as to how to then make the real animation cels. At that point, the new versions of the
outfits (Starbright episodes) had already been created and they might have accidentally
referred to the re-designed outfits in some sketches. The detailed production numbers would be added to make
sure all the changes to the episodes came out correctly. And it's not uncommon to mostly save the good ones,
instead of lots of secondary characters.
The above theory nearly answers all of the problems, but whether it's a good answer I'm not sure. Some things that
speak against them being done during the retakes, is that some of these sketches feature scenes that weren't even made
retakes of, and they're marked with the old production numbers (4041 to 4045) and not the new numbers (5205-08 to
5205-12) the episodes got during the retakes.
So what is the opinion of Will Meugniot, who worked as the storyboard director and producer of the Jem cartoon?
He couldn't give any definite answer about this 20 years old cartoon, but he doesn't recognize these kind of drawings and
had some concerns: 1) The drawings are very weak. 2) Field guides feel wrong. 3) The papers do not look as if they were
punched for an animation bar. 4) The drawings all look like they were drawn by one person. 5) The line weight feels wrong.
The ebay seller is a wellknown and trusted animation art dealer. According to him, these sketches are "layout
revisions", which sounds like retakes. He also says the sketches were not made in Japan but in the US, which is why
there are no japanese notes. He has offered the money back to concerned buyers in exchange for the sketches
(even though it has taken several years for some of them to get their money back),
excluding shipping, probably simply because of his policy. Which does not mean he agrees there is anything wrong
with the sketches. Infact, he even relisted some of the sketches that were sent back to him.
Although it was not said on the auctions who drew them, Jem fans figured out it's someone named Darrell McNeil,
who did work on Jem, who did these and also the sketches for the rest of the cartoons. Infact it turns out the ebay
seller is Darrell's agent, and they have been friends for 30 years.
What Darrell has to say about them himself:
Many of the most wellknown art dealers have only good things to say about the ebay seller.
And none of them can say for certain how the Jem cartoon was animated, and that the sketches are fake.
But here are some problems with the sketches mentioned by a famous art dealer:
Another storyboard artist who worked on Jem, who knows Darrell and confirms he did work on Jem, pointed out:
To many Jem fans this is still a mystery, and some people think they are real but not very attractive as art pieces.
This topic has also been discussed in other places,
like these Transformer sites:
And if you want to give Darrell the benefit of doubt, and learn more about his work, here
Darrell describes what he did for Superfriends in terms of drawings,
layouts, clean-ups, etc.. There is no mention of Jem, and no examples posted, but it does give a
rough idea what he was doing.
Was there ever really an animated movie in the works? What was it going to be about? How far into production did it get? And who are the Mongrels?
Christy was hired to write the script for a Jem movie. This was probably sometime around the Music Awards episodes,
since the movie depended on the character Techrat who was introduced there. When Sunbow had just released
their animated movie Transformers, Christy had worked out the almost six pages long outline for the Jem movie.
But with the poor results of the Transformers and G.I. Joe movies, the plans
for the Jem movie didn't get beyond that, a basic outline for a script.
Christy was very disappointed that the Jem movie was never made. Jem never got the chance to
stand on it's own as a movie, and we missed out on a new music act, that unfortunately never
made it into the cartoon either.
The movie was to include a couple of nasty and violent male-female twins which were a guitarplaying
musicteam called the Mongrels, Alex and Alyx Couto. They're discovered by Eric and the Misfits, and signed to
Misfits Music. Eric introduces them to Techrat, through whom they get his latest invention, the synthesizer Entropy.
Entropy is much more than a synthesizer though, it's practically a masculine counterpart of Synergy, which improves
the duo's music and even puts people in a form of trance.
The technology of it is so advanced it's capabilities are even beyond Techrat's understanding.
The duo plays something Christy described as "raw rock", a sound perhaps even
tougher than the Misfits, almost heavy metal. Infact the Mongrels were going to have their
own songs and music videos in the movie, and Christy even got as far as to describe what kinds of songs she wanted and
what the visuals were for the music videos.
Other characters that were to appear in the movie were Jem and the Holograms, the Misfits, Synergy, Rio, Eric Raymond, Anthony Julian, Techrat, Joanie, Mrs. Bailey, the Starlight girls and a friend of the Starlight girls named Heidi Johnson. Some of the ideas Christy had for the movie, she seems to have used in episodes for the cartoon instead. Entropy became Minx's synthesizer, although it didn't have the same powers as intended for the movie. And the hypnotizing effects, seem to have been used on Riot's charm on women.
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